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sub culture in politics ever a possibility?

  • January 12, 2019 10:05 PM EST

    Hello,

    I simply wanted to get some views, a pretty political orientated question but certainly a serious one. I guess for those who live in the states or certainly in the western Europe.

    Does anyone think a non conformist candidate would ever be from a sub culture group such goth or how ever it has changed since it began.

    Thanks for reading.

  • aikamoonkitten
    • 4 posts
    January 16, 2019 1:33 PM EST
    Hmm, that’s a interesting thought. I don’t see why not. Anyone can be into any sub culture even if you don’t see it on the out side.
  • January 18, 2019 9:51 PM EST

    I don't know about that.

    Sure it is an interesting question, it was a thought I had from having seen a clip years back on youtube by a couple of older women, may be 40's at the time,  I didn't think much of it. At the time, some in the political world, were sort of putting the idea of gay candidates for office but not widely spoken of.

    So yes, it originates from that, but it was more of a serious and not so serious question put to people in Canada. That was after Barack was elected.

    I guess it could be seen as identity politics, labels and so on.

    I think realistically, a hypothetical candidate for a legislature or assembly can be very young, so it isn't impossible. But any higher like a mayor or a leader of a province or county, questionable.


    This post was edited by Deleted Member at January 18, 2019 9:53 PM EST
  • January 23, 2019 10:48 PM EST

     

    This was what I saw years ago.

     

    https://youtu.be/pPbTPyO9nyw?t=93


    I made some images of hypotheticals, this is one of them.

     


    This post was edited by Deleted Member at January 25, 2019 10:22 PM EST
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  • January 31, 2019 1:33 PM EST

    I mean Jill Stein is pretty much a hippie but the chances of her ever getting elected well...

  • January 31, 2019 1:55 PM EST

    Elmo ran for a U.K. Parliamentary seat once xD

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxZlSZrPeQ

  • February 7, 2019 8:14 PM EST

    Sure I remember that on television.

    Hmm, well as for subculture in particular, how it could work in a such stuffy arena as politics. The images above are a little amusing, but what is certain, most likely somebody for a head of state will probably be a man, somebody who can blend in well.

    What is the definition of the office of president in states, the man! The warrior of the nation. wink

    A politician must certainly try to relate to the people who vote them in, it is a tricky one.

    Everybody claims they are tolerant, but I think everyone has a limit, I recall an older man who wasn't interested in running for office, in the Czech nation in 2013 the incumbent at the time thought it would be mad to have somebody looking like him in that office. Vladimir Franz, the composer, and generally a university and arts, creative kind of guy, a bit old now. Mr Franz

    He was fifth or so in the election. While the office was constitutionally limited, it didn't require any real political experience.

    As for the commander in chief archetype, nuclear satchel, air force one, the beast, and Marine one chopper. LOL a bit narcissistic. That satchel is always guarded with some guy from the air force, carries a 9mm. Shoot to kill!

    Imagine the top example, as an office holder at age 36.

    I guess, a small time mayor should be suffice.

  • ShadowBane
    • 4 posts
    February 13, 2019 11:15 PM EST

    Man...its like goths WANT to be sold out down the river.

  • February 14, 2019 8:18 PM EST

    What do you mean exactly?

  • ShadowBane
    • 4 posts
    February 14, 2019 11:21 PM EST

    You guys got it stuck in your brains that you want to be mainstream and marketted. You want to be sold to little girls at hot topic. That's not what we are, man. That's not us. Now we're talking suit and tie land?
    Jeeze louise....I thought we came from the underworld.


    This post was edited by ShadowBane at February 14, 2019 11:22 PM EST
  • February 15, 2019 8:12 AM EST

    Hehe, amusing response.

    I'm not of a subculture, I'm pretty bland for that.

    It wasn't my idea, it came from that somewhat comical and a little serious video, as well as the hypothetical about people who enter politics.

    I tried elsewhere in the past, and on serious political or society forums, and people had such a look down, what ever this subculture is or was, I don't really know, but that isn't so much the point.

    The worst thing one can do to become a politician is be from a subculture, equals weird, selfish, nihilist to care. Obviously, that doesn't really mean anything, that is just aesthetics or a general view of somebody or a group. I doubt there would be a candidate from a subculture, but if there ever would be, probably somebody elected first, has some money, and can obviously mix with people, a sort of balancing act.

    If anything, having somebody from culture should be welcomed, regardless of what many would think, I quite doubt it would many, perhaps one in a generation, and no, formal cloths aren't a must to be a politician, I know it is often portrayed that way, but it happens to be convention and since the camera, and television age, a politician must supposedly look a particular way.

    My preference while no subculture, may be there will be a plain cloths wearing kind of guy elected to office, the governor of Idaho, tended to wear jeans. LOL The only one.

    Obviously nobody here is particularly enthusiastic.

  • ShadowBane
    • 4 posts
    February 15, 2019 9:26 PM EST

    The only way to become a politician is to be a conservative from the ground up, clean cut, no record. A lot purist hogwash.

  • February 15, 2019 9:39 PM EST

    Ah well, some may state, being a former lawyer also helps. Often a lot of politicians are, since modern politics requires some good degree of education, i think it may help. But since they are law makers themselves, legal background would certainly benefit them.

    As for this topic, we don't know if somebody will ever be elected from a subculture for certain, you can't be that negative about it. But I think most would agree it would probably be very low level politics, a liberal area.

    I recall on the forum I posted at a few years back, a poster expressed that the media would probably be very unsupportive of a candidate who looked different.

    Conservative meaning, family values, or religion and or both? Or just looking old fashion or typical, twentieth century fashion in politics.

  • Ohmylag
    • 1 posts
    June 22, 2019 12:02 AM EDT

    I know in the United States it's a possibility.  The requirements don't specifically state that a person has to look a certain way to be in politics.

  • June 30, 2019 3:00 PM EDT
    This is a very interesting thread with some very interesting commentary, particularly given the current state of what has become "politics as usual" in the United States since the 2016 presidential election. For the first time in American history, the two candidates who received the most votes and garnered the most popular support were NOT traditional representatives of their respective parties: Donald Trump wasn't a real Republican, and Bernie Sanders wasn't a real Democrat. In actuality, the former is a nationalist and the latter a socialist; they just affiliated themselves with the Big Two because they're currently the only two parties wealthy enough to compete. The relevance here is that, by and large, voters have become tired of the same old thing. Just look at who won the general election: the people were so sick of conventional politicians that they were willing to hand the world's largest nuclear arsenal to a deranged reality TV star with a crooked business acumen, in large part because he had no experience in politics!

    Before Buchanan, the notion that a bachelor could be president seemed ludicrous; only a stable, married man could do the job. Before Kennedy, the idea of an Irish Catholic as president would have been unthinkable. Before Reagan, a Hollywood actor. Before Obama, a person of color... and so on. We now elect presidents who openly admit to having smoked pot! So, while I doubt someone with a documented history in goth subculture could appeal to the electorate on that merit alone, I do believe that if said person is politically knowledgable, capable, and charismatic, having a background in goth subculture certainly wouldn't damage their campaign. Beto O'Rourke is on the radar right now, and his punk background is well known.

    The current "electability" requirements in the US seem to be as follows: one must be "religious" (usually Christian and usually only of the lip service variety, although I do believe a Jewish person could win), one must be affiliated with either the Republicans or the Democrats, and one must be heterosexual (preferably married). As long as a person can conform to these three criteria, they stand a chance of being elected president. While this is ridiculous and hardly representative of the populace at large, it seems to reflect the voting habits of the majority (sigh). There are now so many identified subcultures and communities that it only seems weird to people if a candidate ISN'T affililiated with a few of them, and, let's be objective: would knowing that Barack Obama or Donald Trump had a VF account make you vote differently in their respective elections? Maybe, maybe not. But it's good to know that I may be able to cast a vote for Trent Reznor someday!
  • July 5, 2019 8:00 PM EDT

    Hi again,

    That is true, that Mr Trump, I kept an open mind about him, I think he's a bit of a nutter. But either way, he is who he is.

    For the time being, it still is a male, family orientated avenue, the presidency is quite right an element of masculinity, and conservative ascetics, faith too.

    So until that changes, it would be difficult to get another single man who is either plains cloths wearing or from a subculture in appearance too, it would probably be a bit like Pete Buttigieg, just not gay or too corporate. Whether single or not, or family is a possibility, but considering the US a world power, I can't imagine this guy, going for a ride in the Beast, if America even still has a tank of machine to get their narcissist head of state of any background or creed around the country.tongue-out Just insane.

    As for O'Rourke, that Irish surname shares a letter and apostrophe with my own he stood out when I first read of the candidates, I'm not American. He is a bit of a flip flopper on his politics, as for the other Andrew Yang, he claimed surprisingly to at least be quasi goth, I imagine would be best to label his position. He liked the Cure band, and the Banshees.

    They are young, a good few of them, so it wouldn't a too surprising to find a young or sorta young politician who may of listened to a particular at one time.

    Take care.